Minutes of 3 Meetings 30th April - Limerick Right of Place Second Chance

Minutes of 3 Meetings 30th April - Limerick Right of Place Second Chance


Please see below a detailed record of Three meetings which were held by the Limerick Branch of Right of Place Second Chance.


With continued success and enthusiasm we wish each of the new committee members and to thank them for their continued excellent work.


Minutes are detailed below;


Limerick Right of Place/Second Chance

Committee/Members Meeting April 30th 2012

With Alan Kavanagh – PA to Mr Michael Noonan

The Greenhills Hotel

Attendances:      Val Groarke, Martin Woodland, Mary Donovan, Gerry Millar, John Woodland, Paddy Clohessy, Denis Tydings and Alan Kavanagh Personal Assistant to Minister for Finance Michael Noonan.


Draft Statutory Redress Fund Bill – concerns & proposed

amendments by Limerick groups


A meeting was held in The Greenhills Hotel, 30th April 2012 at 2pm with Alan Kavanagh (PA to Mr Michael Noonan)


Val introduced the members of Limerick Right of Place Second Chance to Alan Kavanagh who is the Personal Assistant to Michael Noonan (Minister for Finance).


Alan listened to what our concerns were with regard to the Draft Bill and asked us as a newly formed committee to keep a paper trail as to what information through letters we send to Mr Quinn.


Alan will send all correspondence that he sends to Mr Quinn to Mary (Secretary) updating her of the progress he will be making on our behalf.


Alan proposed to:


  • Sending a letter to Mr Quinns office on our behalf requesting a meeting with our group and Mr Quinn and if Mr Quinn does get back to us and offers a meeting with officials from his department to take the opportunity.
  • He will be informing Mr Noonan of our meeting and will be voicing our concerns and proposed amendments for the Bill.



Amendments proposed by Limerick Right of Place Second Chance

  • Administration costs do not come out of the fund.
  • Children/Grandchildren to be included
  • 5 members (Survivors) and 4 (government members) that we have the overall majority.
  • Funeral/burial costs




Limerick Right of Place/Second Chance

Committee/Members Meeting April 30th 2012

With Wille O’Dea – Windmill Bar

Attendances:      Val Groarke, Martin Woodland, Mary Donovan, Gerry Millar, John Woodland, Denis Tydings, Thomas Meehan, Tom Wall, Noel Conway, Pat Chapman, Denis Crowe, Noel Dunphy, Paddy Clohessy.


Draft Statutory Redress Fund Bill – concerns & proposed





Amendments proposed by Limerick Right of Place Second Chance

  • Administration costs do not come out of the fund.
  • Children/Grandchildren to be included
  • 5 members (survivors) and 4 (government members) that we have the overall majority on the board.
  • Funeral/burial costs

A meeting was held in The Windmill Bar Hotel, 30th April 2012 at 4.30pm with Willie O’Dea.


Val introduced the members of Limerick Right of Place Second Chance to Mr O’Dea.


It was suggested by Mr Willie O’Dea to communicate with the other survivor groups out there informing them of Limerick Right of Place Committee amendments to this bill and get us all to stand together supporting these amendments.


Tom Wall suggested that a copy of the recommendations that are in the Annual Report and the changes that we want amended to be circulated to all members so that they have full knowledge as to what we are doing and what we are fighting for with regards to the Bill.


Willie O’Dea


Willie O’Dea has proposed to:


  • Write to Mr Quinn on our behalf for a meeting with his department and the committee.
  • He will speak to Minister Brendan Smith and get him to ring Val
  • He will voice our proposed amendments to the bill on the floor of the Dail when the bill gets to the house.


Willie O’Dea will send out copies of any communication he makes with regard to the proposals he will be making above to Mary so that we have a paper trail to look back on for future references.


Willie re-iterated that one of the most important amended recommendations should be for the children/grandchildren.


Any Other Business


The group suggested that we need an office in Limerick and because ROPSC is funded by the HSE and there is a building in Limerick with office space empty Mr O’Dea recommended that we get onto the HSE requesting a contact name and that he will make a call on our behalf.




Limerick Right of Place/Second Chance

Committee Meeting April 30th 2012

Attendances:      Michael Walsh (CEO ROSPC) Val Groarke (Out Reach Officer ROSPC) Martin Woodland, Tom Wall (Director), Mary Donovan (Chairperson/Secretary), Gerry Millar (Treasurer),  John Woodland (Asst. Chairperson).

Non Attendance: Francis Traynor (PR ROSPC), Paddy Clohessy (Asst. Treasurer)


Meeting of new committee for Limerick group

Draft Statutory Redress Fund Bill – Amendments to be

submitted by Limerick Group.

Update of meetings today with various Ministers


Amendments proposed by Limerick Right of Place Second Chance

  • Administration costs do not come out of the fund.
  • Children/Grandchildren to be incuded
  • 5 members (Survivors) and 4 (government members) that we have the overall majority on the board.
  • Funeral/burial costs

Director     Mr Tom Wall

Tom began by requesting to the CEO Mr Michael Walsh that while the Bill is in its first draft that he sees no problem to any amendments going through of input by survivors.  The bill is wide open at this time for amendments.  Having the bill at this draft stage is a good thing in sofaras previously we didn’t know what was being agreed or discussed at these meetings that were held in Dublin with Mr Ruairi Quinn and now that there is a Draft means that we have something to go forward with to making changes or amendments for what survivors want included in this Bill.


Tom also suggested that copy of the recommendations that are in the Annual Report and the changes that we want amended to be circulated to all members so that they have full knowledge as to what we are doing and what we are fighting for with regards to the Bill.


CEO            Michael Walsh

Michael welcomed the new committee and wished us much success and congratulated us on the work we have started since its formation last week.


Michael said that in order for ROPSC to be a strong group communication is vital and that we as a group need to be informed of any upcoming meetings whether they are in Cork or Dublin or wherever.  The opinion of the committee is that there is a lack of trust since the old ROP and that trust needs to be built up and this will happen if there is open communication between the different structure within ROPSC with Head Office, Board of Directors and the Committees.  The committee agreed strongly to this because we are the larger support survivor group.


Mary asked him about these meetings that were held in Dublin and that there should be a member of each committee attending with himself and Francis Traynor and Michael informed us that only 2 members of each survivor groups who were in Dublin were invited by Mr Ruairi Quinns office.  Mary suggested that members of different age groups should attend one meeting with Mr Quinn so they can inform him as to how they are struggling and how if this bill is passed in its present form will effect them. Michael Walsh informed the group that an invitation was extended to ROSPC to meet with Officials from Mr Quinn’s office last week.  This will be happening in the next few weeks.  Mr Walsh and Mr Traynor will be attending this meeting and we requested that Tom Wall who is Director of Limerick should also be present.


It was suggested by Mr Willie O’Dea to communicate with the other survivor groups out there informing them of Limerick Right of Place Committee amendments to this bill and get us all to stand together supporting the amendments.  When this was mentioned to Mr Walsh he informed the Committee that Mr Traynor and himself met with other survivor groups last week.  Mary requested the minutes of this meeting and was informed that ROSPC were waiting for the designated members who took these minutes to send them to ROSPC Cork.


Michael asked Mary to type up our core amendments from the Annual Report 2012 which we submitted on 27th March 2012 in Dublin and to also input the extra amendments that we have requested also and send them to ROSPC.


Any Other Business


The committee discussed how we are going to get our members who don’t attend back and Mary has requested from Val the database which he has set up so that a letter can be sent to each of them informing them of the formation of the new Committee and what our aims and objectives are for going forward.


The Committee has requested another meeting of themselves with Francis Traynors attendances at the next one in two weeks.

Next Meeting for Members Wednesday 23rd in Perys Hotel @ 7pm



Recommendations based on 2011 and our need to

Move Survivors in their journey to Empowerment of Opportunities.

Victim to survivor to empowerment.


Our goal and part of our mission statement and values is for us to recognise the importance to aid in Survivors continued journey to healing. Survivors do not want to remain as Survivors but carry on their journey to something more fulfilling and more gratifying. This

needs to be understood by all interested parties who can have an influence over their lives. We need to recognise and understand the past, but focus more on the needs of Survivors as faced now and into the future.


Special Citizen Group

We would call on the government to establish a special task group to determine and to designate Survivors as a Special Citizen Group. We would call on the government to recommend this with the following outlined advantages, which would both be symbolic in

recognising their needs into the future and show a real determination to aid them and their families’ lives. These would be as follows;


  1. 1. Nominated Contact in HSE, Regional office’s and Community Welfare Office’s to deal specifically with Survivors and their representatives. This will then alleviate the misunderstanding of Survivors and their family’s needs and ensure supports

continue for them into the future.


  1. 2. Nominated Contact in Housing and a commitment to include Survivors and their families as a Priority Group with an understanding of their housing needs.


  1. 3. To research needs and supports that Survivors require now and into the future and create a framework that allows for access to the supports that are needed. This also needs to include the statistics of the frontline support that we offer as our Outreach and direct contact with Survivor’s can help to highlight those needs.


  1. 4. Regional Forum (s) Facilitated by the Government to meet on a yearly basis. This would then include the nominated contact in the HSE Regional offices, the nominated CWO in each region and a member of the housing department in each

City / county council. The purpose of this would be to facilitate greater awareness and understanding of Survivors needs.

Inclusion of family members in future supports.

One of the few pieces of research by the National Suicide Research Foundation, noted the interaction with family members to be a key factor in ensuring Survivors do not commit suicide. It is therefore unfortunate that the Government has decided to remove family

members from access to the Trust Fund, and indeed future supports, despite the fact that the organisation that they fund can show the importance of Family members in Survivors lives. It is therefore essential that the additional supports we are calling on the government to make, include family members as from our frontline work it is clear to see the inter-generational effect Institutional abuse has had on many families in Ireland.


Inclusion of people who have haven’t yet come forward for Redress

One of the most common quotes from Survivors is They didn’t listen to me for 30-40 years and told me I was a liar, why would I talk about it know. There is still a nominal number of Survivors out there who have not yet got access to the RIRB for many reasons and it is both inequitable and unreasonable to accept that they can now be forgotten. The issue surrounding Institutional abuse took a long time to be truly understood, it would therefore be important that any Survivor who still has to come forward is afforded the opportunity to do so. To truly understand the history of Survivors, the need to allow Survivors to come forward when they feel it is necessary is crucial. Additionally to this when one looks at the numbers and percentage of those who have come forward as a late redress application it is clear to see the small numbers we are discussing. For instance there has only been 24 out of our 5,393 contacts have been assistance in coming forward to go to the Residential Institutions Redress Board (Late Applications). In other words, only 0.5%, therefore dispelling the fear that the supports would be stretched too thin.


Trust fund is to be supplemented on a continued basis

As the additional contribution (€110 million) by the 18 Religious congregations, is to be used as a Statutory Trust fund to aid in Survivors lives it is important that this is not the end of the supports that are needed into the future. If the Fund is used as effectively as it can be, there is no guarantee that it will outlive every Survivor and we call on the Government to make sure that every Survivor has access to it for as long as they are alive. To this we would then call on the Government to supplement the Trust fund on a continued and yearly basis to make sure it does not become an ending. We see the Trust fund as a beginning of a new era in the advancement of Survivors lives and not an ending.


Establishment of a national day of remembrance

There is still no recognition to Survivors in this country despite the role that our elected representatives had in the challenges and pain many children in this country suffered. We commemorate many international events of denial of human rights and yet we still do not recognise or commemorate our own tragedy.  We would therefore call on the government to nominate a day in our calendar year which is used to commemorate deceased Survivors of Institutional abuse and make sure we are recognising the pain and suffering of Survivors. It would also ensure that it lifts the stigma that was attached to Institutional abuse and be a symbolic remembrance of our national understanding.



The proposed recommendations that Limerick Right of Place Second Chance want added to the Statutory Redress Fund Bill are:

  • Funeral/burial expenses
  • That 5 members of survivor members be on the board and 4 Government Members
  • Children/Grandchildren
  • Cost of Administration does not come out of this Fund since it was the State that created this situation.
  • Health recommendations are already in place for our members.





IMPORTANT - New Info Regarding Trust Fund


Residential Institutions Statutory Fund Bill 2012 as initiated and Explanatory Memorandum


Bill entitled an Act to provide for the establishment of a body to support the needs of former residents to be known as Bord an Chiste Reachtúil Foras Cónaithe or in the English language, the Residential Institutions Statutory Fund Board, and to define its functions; to provide for the making of contributions by certain persons; to amend the Residential Institutions Redress Act 2002; to amend the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse (Amendment) Act 2005; and to provide for related matters


We were this morning advised that the First Draft of the Trust Fund, or as it is officially to be known "Residential Institutions Statutory Fund Bill".

Please view the information as contained within it as it is the first time that some concrete details of the ways in which it hopes to Support Survivors can be seen. Right of Place Second Chance will be issuing a Press Release on the contents, so please feel free to comment and ask any questions that you have.

It is imperative that questions are asked and correct answers are got. Please feel free to ask any questions and we will answer them for you, or find out the answers for you.

Please click here to view the Bill (PDF)

(Updated) Right of Place Second Chance Annual Report 2012

Annual Report 2012


*Please Scroll down to the Bottom of the page to view a copy of the Report

On the 27th March 2012, Right of Place took the unprecedented step amongst Survivor Groups in launching an Annual Report.


Their was many facets as to why the Report was launched and probably the most important of them was our recommendations section where we have called on the Government to offer further supports for Survivors and their families into the future.


We looked at what the major concerns were from our 5,393 contacts over the last year to formulate these recommendations that would in some shape aid in the advancement of Survivors lives. Indeed this is our continued aim, as the Report was entitled;

"Moving on, From Victim to Survivor, to Empowerment and Opportunity"


We hope you enjoy looking through the Annual Report and to re-iterate this will be an Annual Event in our constant quest to advance Survivors lives, additionally to offering a platform for Survivors to see the work being carried out and the important role we play in Survivors lives.


Annual Report

Annual Report



Annual Report 2012


Annual Report Cover


Please Click Here to view the copy of our Annual Report.


Annual Report - Click Here

Interview for RTE Television - Right of Place Second Chance

RTE Television

Additionally to the below information (in our News Section) at the launch of our annual Report was a representative of RTE News.

Below is the Link, where our Annual Report Launch was documented and an interview held with both our National Chairperson - Mr. Michael Walsh and National Co-Ordinator - Mr. Francis Treanor. This was seen on the 27th March 2012 on RTE Television - News

Please click here to view the News Report

President Michael D. Higgins Meets with Right of Place Second Chance in Áras an Uachtaráin

President Higgins and Right of Place Second Chance 27th March


It what was a fantastic day overall, with the launch of our Annual Report we were asked by President Higgins to a special function in honour of the work that Right of Place have done over the last year.


It was a vindication from President Higgins and his staff and again re-iterated his profound understanding of the marginalized within our society. The Fact that president Higgins, took the time to meet with every individual present, shake their hand and have a word with each meant so much to so many.


President Higgins re-iterated to all present his deepest thanks and respect for the work that Right of Place is doing in aid of Survivors over the last year and urged us to continue the work that we are doing, despite the obsticales we may face along our journey.


He also spoke, in some detail, of how he would speak directly with Taoiseach Kenny to again re-iterate his understanding of Survivors, with the help of our Report.


To President Higgins from all present, and from all those who have helped make Right of Place Second Chance successful over the last 12 months - we thank you sincerely.


* A collection of photos from the day is currently been made and processed into a slide show, so anybody who was in attendance and had a picture taken will be able to view them also. Or send them onto us and we can add them here if you like.


President Higgins with Annual Report


President Higgins meets our Supporters

President Higgins

President Higgins

RTE News - Right of Place calls on the Government to publish details on the Trust Fund

Right of Place calls on the Government to publish details on the Trust Fund


As part of the Launch of our Annual Report the following was also reported on RTE News.


Please click the below link for additional details.

RTE Radio News at 1 - 27th March 2012


News At One: Calls to publish plans for abuse trust fund - Right of Place Second Chance's Frances Traynor


After the Launch of our Annual Report 2012, Mr. Francis Treanor, on behalf of Right of Place Second Chance was asked to speak on RTE Radio News at 1.


Please click the below link to listen to our thoughts, on our Annual Report

Outcome of Annual Mass

Annual Mass


On the 10th of March in Waterford City the Right of Place Second Chance Annual Mass was held in St. John's Church and a social gathering of Survivors was held afterwards in the Farroshanine Community Building.


First and foremost we would like to thank all those that attended and in particular those that attended from all over the country, indeed one family travelled literally the length of the country and brought their daughter along with them. Their enjoyment was evident and their comments agreed with this.


The Mass itself was a very powerful one and all in attendance commented on this. One Survivor in attendance stated "I never go to mass, except Marriage and Funeral's, but that was uplifting". There was roughly 100 in attendance at the Mass.


Bishop William lee, took a number of minutes out of the Mass to offer his deepest regret and apologies regarding the Abuse that occured to Survivors. It was a moving and genuine speech, to which a rousing round of applause was afforded by all those Survivors in attendance.


Annual MassAnnual Mass


Possibly the best part of the day was reserved for the Social gathering afterwards. There was fantastic food provided for all in attendance, courtesy of Mary Grimes Catering Company and Bishop Lee spent the time going around and speaking to each individual Survivor and family member. It became a rocky start when the band that were meant to be there, failed to show up however Liam "The Bock" Maher rescued the day when he came armed with his guitar. It was also surprising to see our very own chairperson bring in his guitar and entertain those present with an array of ballads and folk songs.

Chairperson Singing

Social Gathering


It was so inspirational and heart warming to see each Survivor, join in the sing song and many played different instruments, and offered their voices to sing along. It was wonderful to see Survivors encouraging each other and showcasing their talents after what was a tremendous day for many. As One Survivor put it to me at the end of the day "That was absolutely fantastic, thank you to everybody involved and we should have this once a month. Thanks for an unforgettable day and an opportunity to be around friends"


Social Gathering


People are already talking about next year, and the further events that we have planned for this year.... A fantastic Day and a triumph for Survivors and their families.

*Please note unless prior permission is given, we believe in maintaining the confidentiality of our members and Survivors and that is the explanation for some of the faces being "blurred"

St. Patricks Day Holidays

Saint Patricks Holidays


Please kindly note that the Right of Place Second Chance offices are closed and will re-open on Tuesday the 20th of March.

You can however ring any of the offices as a dedicated and confidential voicemail service has been set up so that our officers can call you back immediatly upon their Return.


On behalf of all the staff at Right of Place Second Chance we wish all Survivors and their families a wonderful weekend.

Newsletter - Spring Edition 2012

Our Most recent Newsletter


Right of Place Second Chance has recently re-established our Newsletter as part of our ongoing commitment to Providing Survivors with the most correct and up to date information relating to issues that effect them.


Please click on the links below to view our 2012 Spring addition and if you would like to receive a copy every quarter and you are not already please contact any of our offices and we can arrange this with you.


For pages 1 & 4 click here - (PDF)


For pages 2 & 3 click here - (PDF)


Any questions regarding the information please feel free to contact any of our offices.

Annual Mass 10th March 2012

Annual Mass and Social Gathering in Waterford City


Due to the request by our members over the last number of months we have decided to re-launch our annual mass in commemoration of Deceased Survivors of Institutional Abuse.

All our membership has been informed through our newsletter that was published last week.

It is a great joy to facilitate this mass as an opportunity to those who have held onto their faith to pray and mourn the death of Survivors in their own personal way. There is many people looking forward to this mass and there is also a social gathering after the Mass.

Right of Place has been fortunate to have the use of a complete community building for the day and this will also help to facilitate those whom would like to bring their family members along to the Mass which will be offered by Bishop Lee, as pool tables and "Chill out" rooms will be available afterwards.

The afters will be held in the Farroshanine Community building, Williamstown, Waterford City and there will be free buses available to take those from the Mass to the building for those who do not have access to attend.

In this social gathering, there will be free food provided, dancing, free music entertainment and indeed a number of Survivors have offered their voices so it should prove to be a memorable time for all those that attend.

We also hope to have into the future a spiritual and non religious commemoration for those who have lost their faith but would still like the opportunity to mourn the passing of their friends / family and you will be updated closer to the date.

Finally Depending on Demand there will be free transport provided from Cork City, Limerick, Galway, Kerry and Clonmel should Survivors want to attend but not be able to travel themselves. Anybody wishing to access this free transport please contact any of your local offices before Saturday 10th March to reserve your spot.


Annual mass

Recent Radio Interview on Deise AM

Recent Radio Interview

The Outreach Manager for the Waterford and Eastern Region was recently asked onto the ever popular Deise AM Programme with Mr. Billy McCarthy to give a brief talk in relation to Housing issues, that Survivors and vulnerable citizens of Ireland currently face.

Whilst it was a short talk we do feel that any thing that can be done to heighten awareness of some of the issues vulnerable Survivors face every day then it will always be a worthwile experience.

This is the beginning of addressing some of the many issues Survivors are faced with and we hope will feed into and indeed lead up to the launch of our Annual Report. This Annual Report is as much about showing the work that is being undertaken in our regional offices, showing our financial accounts for 2011 but most importantly will give a platform on a national scale to heighten some of the issues Survivors are faced with every day based on the work being done by our staff in Right of Place Second Chance.

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank the many Survivors who sent texts and calls I received regarding the short interview, they were much appreciated.

Please click on the below link - The short talk begins on the second half of Thursday 1st March Show and begins at minute 22.20


Website Changes and Updates


Important Notice


Please note that from the date of this News Article for the next 24-48 hours our website will be going through changes and updates.


We hope to do this to improve the user experience and add and remove items as per requests and suggestions by users of the website.


We apologise in advance in this causes any disruption, however it is unavoidable in our constant need to provide the best of service to Survivors and their family members.

Request for Photographs


A Survivor from the UK recently contacted our offices with request for photographs, the details of which photographs can be viewed below:


  • St Vincents Industrial School, Drogeda, first communion 1941-1946


  • St Patricks Industrial School, Kilkenny, Any Photos 1932-1945


  • St. Jospehs Industrial School, Kilkenny, Any Photos 1932-1945


  • St. Patricks Industrial School, Upton, Cork, first communion and confirmation or any photos 1934-1952


If you have any pictures of the above this Survivor would be more then grateful to receive a copy of them. If you can supply details or information please contact Outreach Co-Ordinator, Ann Marie Crean on 1890 200 709.

Thank you in advance

Video with Chairman - Annual Report 2012 - Have your Say


As part of our commitment this year to build on the work done over the course of 2011 there is a short video from Mr. Michael Walsh regarding our upcoming annual report.


The annual report is highly anticipated by our members and we hope to release more details regarding its publication as soon as they become available. The report is essential to us to cement the New Right of Place and our change into professionalism. It is our intention that as we build, through trust, respect and active work with Survivors we can become a voice for Survivors going forward.


It is imperative that we continue to build on the actual work being done by highlighting this and ensuring that future decisions which are taken that effect Survivors are not done so without their say.


The main purpose of the below video is to give Survivors a quick overview of what can be expected to be included in the Annual General report, to re-iterate the benefits of it's publication and to continue to strengthen the link between the organisation and the very people it assists and supports. This will be the first of continuous video and text updates over the coming months from the chairman and the companies staff. It is another avenue being developed to allow for Survivors to receive information.


Please feel free to view and comment below to have your question / comment answered and listened to directly by our chairman.


Our apologies in advance regarding the quality of the recording and the small amount of background noise within the video.